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Publié le Lundi 10 mai 2010 à 12:00:00 par Cedric Gasperini
Barack Obama : Le jeu vidéo est une menace pour la démocratie
C'est très américain, alors ?
Une nouvelle fois, Barack Obama s'est laissé aller à quelques propos malheureux envers le jeu vidéo et les nouvelles technologies. S'adressant à des étudiants de l'université d'Hampton, en Virginie, il a expliqué que les Xbox et Playstation étaient des instruments de "désinformation".Comme quoi on peut être président des USA, jouir d'une énorme popularité, même à l'étranger, avoir reçu un Nobel, et dire des conneries monstrueuses.Vous arrivez à un âge où l'environnement médiatique vous bombarde 24h/24 et 7j/7 de toutes sortes de contenus et nous expose à toutes sortes d'arguments, dont certains sont véritablement très éloignés de la vérité.
Avec les iPods, iPads, Xbox et Playstation - d'ailleurs je ne sais me servir d'aucun - l'information devient une distraction, une diversion, une sorte de loisir, plus qu'un outil de connaissances et de puissances, plus qu'une voie d'indépendance.
Et cela ne met pas seulement une nouvelle pression sur vos épaules, mais aussi une nouvelle pression sur le pays et sur la démocratie.
Après enquête, il semblerait que Nadine Morano n'ait jamais écrit de discours pour le Président Obama et ne soit donc pas auteure de celui-là.
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Ecrit par js2082C'est peut etre de la confusion des genres dont il se plaint ...
A part l'ipad, aucun des matériels cités n'a pour fonction de s'informer mais sert à se divertir. Le monde du jeu vidéo n'a pas pour but d'enseigner quoique ce soit aux gens seulement d'amuser.
Le net est une source d'information dont il est rentre dans la coutume de questionner, les medias traditionnels (TV, Journaux) ont aussi cette coutume. Mais les supports cites ne l'ont pas tout simplement parce que c'est pas leur but premier.
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Super l'article.....
Je n'ai vu aucune attaque aux jeux vidéo. En fait, les mots "jeu" et "video" n'apparaisse même nulle part.
Mais bon, il est président des USA et en plus il a un prix Nobel de la paix (obtenu bien trop tôt, ça c'est sûr) alors ça fait toujours du bien de pouvoir lui chier dessus à l'occasion.
C'est quand même pas bien compliqué à comprendre. Il n'est écrit nulle part que le jeu vidéo rend abruti, rend violent, désociabilise... Bref il n'y aucune de ces déclarations que la presse du jeu vidéo aime tant pour pouvoir remplir ses colonnes les jours de vache maigre....
Il dénonce juste la tendance grandissante, venu avec internet et les nouvelles technologies, qui consiste à donner l'occasion à n'importe qui de s'exprimer publiquement sur n'importe quoi, même sur des sujets qu'il ne comprends. Par exemple via des blogs qui peuvent être diffuser sur n'importe quel support informatique, et pour le ipod, à part les podcast je ne voie pas trop à quoi il peut faire référence.
Je n'ai vu aucune attaque aux jeux vidéo. En fait, les mots "jeu" et "video" n'apparaisse même nulle part.
Mais bon, il est président des USA et en plus il a un prix Nobel de la paix (obtenu bien trop tôt, ça c'est sûr) alors ça fait toujours du bien de pouvoir lui chier dessus à l'occasion.
Vous arrivez à un âge où l'environnement médiatique vous bombarde 24h/24 et 7j/7 de toutes sortes de contenus et nous expose à toutes sortes d'arguments, dont certains sont véritablement très éloignés de la vérité.
C'est quand même pas bien compliqué à comprendre. Il n'est écrit nulle part que le jeu vidéo rend abruti, rend violent, désociabilise... Bref il n'y aucune de ces déclarations que la presse du jeu vidéo aime tant pour pouvoir remplir ses colonnes les jours de vache maigre....
Il dénonce juste la tendance grandissante, venu avec internet et les nouvelles technologies, qui consiste à donner l'occasion à n'importe qui de s'exprimer publiquement sur n'importe quoi, même sur des sujets qu'il ne comprends. Par exemple via des blogs qui peuvent être diffuser sur n'importe quel support informatique, et pour le ipod, à part les podcast je ne voie pas trop à quoi il peut faire référence.
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Ma remarque ne porte pas sur le jeu vidéo ni sur le fait que dans le fond, une information pop-corn n'est pas une bonne chose.
C'est juste que la façon dont il a casé Xbox et consort dans son argumentaire n'a strictement aucun sens. Et c'est une connerie. Me dire que c'est parce que ce sont des média qui permettent d'accéder à internet et webTV et tout, alors qu'il ne sait pas s'en servir... Comment dire ? C'est un peu un argumentaire tout pourri.
C'est peut-être ça le soucis en fait.
C'est juste que la façon dont il a casé Xbox et consort dans son argumentaire n'a strictement aucun sens. Et c'est une connerie. Me dire que c'est parce que ce sont des média qui permettent d'accéder à internet et webTV et tout, alors qu'il ne sait pas s'en servir... Comment dire ? C'est un peu un argumentaire tout pourri.
C'est peut-être ça le soucis en fait.
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C'est de la connerie (où de l'hypocrisie ? de la démagogie ?) dans le sens où il site des supports récents et bien ciblés comme cause de la transformation de l'information en loisir.
Comme si c'était nouveau ! En regardant les news, toujours à la recherche du sensationnel et/ou du scandale, on se croirait aux jeux du cirque.
Et reprocher à certains supports de rendre les gens stupides, c'est bien dans la logique de déresponsabilisation qu'il critique en apparence.
Mais c'est vrai que internet c'est dangereux, ça vous expose a croire les mensonges de tout un chacun quand avant vous ne croyiez que les mensonges officiels dument labellisés.
Comme les chasseurs, il y a les bons mensonges et les mauvais mensonges.
Comme si c'était nouveau ! En regardant les news, toujours à la recherche du sensationnel et/ou du scandale, on se croirait aux jeux du cirque.
Et reprocher à certains supports de rendre les gens stupides, c'est bien dans la logique de déresponsabilisation qu'il critique en apparence.
Mais c'est vrai que internet c'est dangereux, ça vous expose a croire les mensonges de tout un chacun quand avant vous ne croyiez que les mensonges officiels dument labellisés.
Comme les chasseurs, il y a les bons mensonges et les mauvais mensonges.
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Ecrit par yeagermach1C'est sur que tout le monde achète une xbox pour mater la tv...
Il a jamais parle de jeux video surtout dans son discour ...
Il a parle des plateformes de medias que sont la Xbox, la Playstation, l'ipod ou l'ipad ...
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FULL TRANSCRIPT OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S COMMENCEMENT ADDRESS
As Prepared for Delivery—
Good morning, Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms here today, and thank you for inviting me to share this special occasion with the Hampton community. Before we get started, I just want to say, I’m excited the Battle of the Real H.U. will be taking place in Washington this year. You all know I’m not going to pick sides. But it’s been, what, 13 years since the Pirates lost. As one Hampton alum on my staff put it, the last time Howard beat Hampton, The Fugees were still together.
Let me also say a word to President Harvey, a president who bleeds Hampton blue. In a single generation, Hampton has transformed from a small black college into a world-class research institution. That transformation has come through the efforts of many people, but it has come through President Harvey’s efforts, in particular, and I want to commend him for his leadership.
I also want to recognize the Board of Trustees, faculty, alums, family, and friends with us today. And most importantly, I want to congratulate all of you, the Class of 2010 – I take it none of you walked across Ogden Circle.
We meet here today, as graduating classes have met for generations, not far from where it all began, near that old oak tree off Emancipation Drive. I know my University 101. There, beneath its branches, by what was then a Union garrison, about twenty students gathered on September 17, 1861. Taught by a free citizen, in defiance of Virginia law, the students were escaped slaves from nearby plantations, who had fled to the fort seeking asylum.
After the war’s end, a retired Union general sought to enshrine that legacy of learning. With collections from church groups, Civil War veterans, and a choir that toured Europe, Hampton Normal and Agricultural Institute was founded here, by the Chesapeake – a home by the sea.
That story is no doubt familiar to many of you. But it is worth reflecting on why it happened; why so many people went to such trouble to found Hampton and all our Historically Black Colleges and Universities. The founders of these institutions knew, of course, that inequality would persist long into the future. They recognized that barriers in our laws, and in our hearts, wouldn’t vanish overnight.
But they also recognized a larger truth; a distinctly American truth. They recognized that with the right education, those barriers might be overcome and our God-given potential might be fulfilled. They recognized, as Frederick Douglass once put it, that “education…means emancipation.” They recognized that education is how America and its people might fulfill our promise. That recognition, that truth – that an education can fortify us to rise above any barriers, to meet any tests – is reflected, again and again, throughout our history.
In the midst of civil war, we set aside land grants for schools like Hampton to teach farmers and factory-workers the skills of an industrializing nation. At the close of World War II, we made it possible for returning GIs to attend college, building and broadening our great middle class. At the Cold War’s dawn, we set up Area Studies Centers on our campuses to prepare graduates to understand and address the global threats of a nuclear age.
Education, then, is what has always allowed us to meet the challenges of a changing world. And that has never been more true than it is today. You’re graduating in a time of great difficulty for America and the world. You’re entering the job market, in an era of heightened international competition, with an economy that’s still rebounding from the worst crisis since the Great Depression. You’re accepting your degrees as America wages two wars – wars that many in your generation have been fighting.
Meanwhile, you’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t rank all that high on the truth meter. With iPods and iPads; Xboxes and PlayStations; information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment. All of this is not only putting new pressures on you; it is putting new pressures on our country and on our democracy.
It’s a period of breathtaking change, like few others in our history. We can’t stop these changes, but we can adapt to them. And education is what can allow us to do so. It can fortify you, as it did earlier generations, to meet the tests of your own time.
First and foremost, your education can fortify you against the uncertainties of a 21st century economy. In the 19th century, folks could get by with a few basic skills, whether they learned them in a school like Hampton, or picked them up along the way. For much of the 20th century, a high school diploma was a ticket to a solid middle class life. That is no longer the case.
Jobs today often require at least a bachelor’s degree, and that degree is even more important in tough times like these. In fact, the unemployment rate for folks who’ve never gone to college is over twice as high as it is for folks with a college degree or more
The good news is, all of you are ahead of the curve. All those checks you wrote to Hampton will pay off. You are in a strong position to outcompete workers around the world. But I don’t have to tell you that too many folks back home aren’t as well prepared. By any number of different yardsticks, African Americans are being outperformed by their white classmates, and so are Hispanic Americans. And students in well-off areas are outperforming students in poorer rural or urban communities, no matter what color their skin.
Globally, it’s not even close. In 8th grade science and math, for example, American students are ranked about 10th overall compared to top-performing countries. African Americans, however, are ranked behind more than twenty nations, lower than nearly every other developed country.
All of us have a responsibility, as Americans, to change this; to offer every child in this country an education that will make them competitive in our knowledge economy. But all of you have a separate responsibility, as well. To be role models for your brothers and sisters. To be mentors in your communities. And, when the time comes, to pass that sense of an education’s value down to your children. To pass down that sense of personal responsibility and self-respect. To pass down the work ethic that made it possible for you to be here today.
So, allowing you to compete in the global economy is the first way your education can prepare you. But it can also prepare you as citizens. With so many voices clamoring for attention on blogs, on cable, on talk radio, it can be difficult, at times, to sift through it all; to know what to believe; to figure out who’s telling the truth and who’s not. Let’s face it, even some of the craziest claims can quickly gain traction. I’ve had some experience with that myself.
Fortunately, you’ll be well positioned to navigate this terrain. Your education has honed your research abilities, sharpened your analytical powers, and given you a context for understanding the world. Those skills will come in handy.
But the goal was always to teach you something more. Over the past four years, you’ve argued both sides of a debate. You’ve read novels and histories that take different cuts at life. You’ve discovered interests you didn’t know you had, and made friends who didn’t grow up the same way you did. And you’ve tried things you’d never done before, including some things I’m sure you wish you hadn’t.
All of it, I hope, has had the effect of opening your minds; of helping you understand what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes. But now that your minds have been opened, it’s up to you to keep them that way. And it will be up to you to open minds that remain closed. That, after all, is the elemental test of any democracy: whether people with differing points of view can learn from each other, work with each other, and find a way forward together.
I’d also add one further observation. Just as your education can fortify you, it can also fortify our nation, as a whole. More and more, America’s economic preeminence, our ability to outcompete other countries, will be shaped not just in our boardrooms and on our factory floors, but in our classrooms, our schools, and at universities like Hampton; by how well all of us, and especially us parents, educate our sons and daughters.
What’s at stake is more than our ability to outcompete other nations. It’s our ability to make democracy work in our own nation. Years after he left office, decades after he penned the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson sat down, a few hours’ drive from here, in Monticello, to write a letter to a longtime legislator, urging him to do more on education. Jefferson gave one principal reason – the one, perhaps, he found most compelling. “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free,” he wrote, “it expects what never was and never will be.”
What Jefferson recognized, like the rest of that gifted generation, was that in the long run, their improbable experiment – America – wouldn’t work if its citizens were uninformed, if its citizens were apathetic, if its citizens checked out, and left democracy to those who didn’t have their best interests at heart. It could only work if each of us stayed informed and engaged; if we held our government accountable; if we fulfilled the obligations of citizenship.
The success of their experiment, they understood, depended on the participation of its people – the participation of Americans like all of you. The participation of all those who’ve ever sought to perfect our union. Americans like Dorothy Height.
As you probably know, Dr. Height passed away the other week at the age of 98. Having been on the firing line for every fight from lynching to desegregation to the battle for health care reform, she lived a singular life. But she started out just like you, understanding that to make something of herself, she needed a college degree.
So, she applied to Barnard – and got in. Only, when she showed up, they discovered she wasn’t white like they’d thought. You see, their two slots for African Americans had already been filled. But Dr. Height was not discouraged. She was not deterred. She stood up, straight-backed, and with Barnard’s acceptance letter in hand, marched down to NYU, where she was admitted right away.
Think about that for a moment. A woman, a black woman, in 1929, refusing to be denied her dream of a college degree. Refusing to be denied her rights. Her dignity. Her piece of America’s promise. Refusing to let any barriers of injustice or inequality stand in her way. That refusal to accept a lesser fate; that insistence on a better life is, ultimately, the secret of America’s success.
So, yes, an education can fortify us to meet the tests of our economy, the tests of citizenship, and the tests of our time. But what makes us American is something that can’t be taught – a stubborn insistence on pursuing a dream.
The same insistence that led a band of patriots to overthrow an empire. That fired the passions of union troops to free the slaves and union veterans to found schools like Hampton. That led foot-soldiers the same age as you to brave fire-hoses on the streets of Birmingham and billy clubs on a bridge in Selma. That led generation after generation of Americans to toil away, quietly, without complaint, in the hopes of a better life for their children and grandchildren.
That is what has makes us who we are. A dream of brighter days ahead, a faith in things unseen, a belief that here, in this country, we’re the authors of our own destinies. And it now falls to you, the Class of 2010, to write the next great chapter in America’s story; to meet the tests of your own time; and to take up the ongoing work of fulfilling our founding promise. Thank you, God Bless You, and may God Bless the United States of America.
As Prepared for Delivery—
Good morning, Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms here today, and thank you for inviting me to share this special occasion with the Hampton community. Before we get started, I just want to say, I’m excited the Battle of the Real H.U. will be taking place in Washington this year. You all know I’m not going to pick sides. But it’s been, what, 13 years since the Pirates lost. As one Hampton alum on my staff put it, the last time Howard beat Hampton, The Fugees were still together.
Let me also say a word to President Harvey, a president who bleeds Hampton blue. In a single generation, Hampton has transformed from a small black college into a world-class research institution. That transformation has come through the efforts of many people, but it has come through President Harvey’s efforts, in particular, and I want to commend him for his leadership.
I also want to recognize the Board of Trustees, faculty, alums, family, and friends with us today. And most importantly, I want to congratulate all of you, the Class of 2010 – I take it none of you walked across Ogden Circle.
We meet here today, as graduating classes have met for generations, not far from where it all began, near that old oak tree off Emancipation Drive. I know my University 101. There, beneath its branches, by what was then a Union garrison, about twenty students gathered on September 17, 1861. Taught by a free citizen, in defiance of Virginia law, the students were escaped slaves from nearby plantations, who had fled to the fort seeking asylum.
After the war’s end, a retired Union general sought to enshrine that legacy of learning. With collections from church groups, Civil War veterans, and a choir that toured Europe, Hampton Normal and Agricultural Institute was founded here, by the Chesapeake – a home by the sea.
That story is no doubt familiar to many of you. But it is worth reflecting on why it happened; why so many people went to such trouble to found Hampton and all our Historically Black Colleges and Universities. The founders of these institutions knew, of course, that inequality would persist long into the future. They recognized that barriers in our laws, and in our hearts, wouldn’t vanish overnight.
But they also recognized a larger truth; a distinctly American truth. They recognized that with the right education, those barriers might be overcome and our God-given potential might be fulfilled. They recognized, as Frederick Douglass once put it, that “education…means emancipation.” They recognized that education is how America and its people might fulfill our promise. That recognition, that truth – that an education can fortify us to rise above any barriers, to meet any tests – is reflected, again and again, throughout our history.
In the midst of civil war, we set aside land grants for schools like Hampton to teach farmers and factory-workers the skills of an industrializing nation. At the close of World War II, we made it possible for returning GIs to attend college, building and broadening our great middle class. At the Cold War’s dawn, we set up Area Studies Centers on our campuses to prepare graduates to understand and address the global threats of a nuclear age.
Education, then, is what has always allowed us to meet the challenges of a changing world. And that has never been more true than it is today. You’re graduating in a time of great difficulty for America and the world. You’re entering the job market, in an era of heightened international competition, with an economy that’s still rebounding from the worst crisis since the Great Depression. You’re accepting your degrees as America wages two wars – wars that many in your generation have been fighting.
Meanwhile, you’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t rank all that high on the truth meter. With iPods and iPads; Xboxes and PlayStations; information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment. All of this is not only putting new pressures on you; it is putting new pressures on our country and on our democracy.
It’s a period of breathtaking change, like few others in our history. We can’t stop these changes, but we can adapt to them. And education is what can allow us to do so. It can fortify you, as it did earlier generations, to meet the tests of your own time.
First and foremost, your education can fortify you against the uncertainties of a 21st century economy. In the 19th century, folks could get by with a few basic skills, whether they learned them in a school like Hampton, or picked them up along the way. For much of the 20th century, a high school diploma was a ticket to a solid middle class life. That is no longer the case.
Jobs today often require at least a bachelor’s degree, and that degree is even more important in tough times like these. In fact, the unemployment rate for folks who’ve never gone to college is over twice as high as it is for folks with a college degree or more
The good news is, all of you are ahead of the curve. All those checks you wrote to Hampton will pay off. You are in a strong position to outcompete workers around the world. But I don’t have to tell you that too many folks back home aren’t as well prepared. By any number of different yardsticks, African Americans are being outperformed by their white classmates, and so are Hispanic Americans. And students in well-off areas are outperforming students in poorer rural or urban communities, no matter what color their skin.
Globally, it’s not even close. In 8th grade science and math, for example, American students are ranked about 10th overall compared to top-performing countries. African Americans, however, are ranked behind more than twenty nations, lower than nearly every other developed country.
All of us have a responsibility, as Americans, to change this; to offer every child in this country an education that will make them competitive in our knowledge economy. But all of you have a separate responsibility, as well. To be role models for your brothers and sisters. To be mentors in your communities. And, when the time comes, to pass that sense of an education’s value down to your children. To pass down that sense of personal responsibility and self-respect. To pass down the work ethic that made it possible for you to be here today.
So, allowing you to compete in the global economy is the first way your education can prepare you. But it can also prepare you as citizens. With so many voices clamoring for attention on blogs, on cable, on talk radio, it can be difficult, at times, to sift through it all; to know what to believe; to figure out who’s telling the truth and who’s not. Let’s face it, even some of the craziest claims can quickly gain traction. I’ve had some experience with that myself.
Fortunately, you’ll be well positioned to navigate this terrain. Your education has honed your research abilities, sharpened your analytical powers, and given you a context for understanding the world. Those skills will come in handy.
But the goal was always to teach you something more. Over the past four years, you’ve argued both sides of a debate. You’ve read novels and histories that take different cuts at life. You’ve discovered interests you didn’t know you had, and made friends who didn’t grow up the same way you did. And you’ve tried things you’d never done before, including some things I’m sure you wish you hadn’t.
All of it, I hope, has had the effect of opening your minds; of helping you understand what it’s like to walk in someone else’s shoes. But now that your minds have been opened, it’s up to you to keep them that way. And it will be up to you to open minds that remain closed. That, after all, is the elemental test of any democracy: whether people with differing points of view can learn from each other, work with each other, and find a way forward together.
I’d also add one further observation. Just as your education can fortify you, it can also fortify our nation, as a whole. More and more, America’s economic preeminence, our ability to outcompete other countries, will be shaped not just in our boardrooms and on our factory floors, but in our classrooms, our schools, and at universities like Hampton; by how well all of us, and especially us parents, educate our sons and daughters.
What’s at stake is more than our ability to outcompete other nations. It’s our ability to make democracy work in our own nation. Years after he left office, decades after he penned the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson sat down, a few hours’ drive from here, in Monticello, to write a letter to a longtime legislator, urging him to do more on education. Jefferson gave one principal reason – the one, perhaps, he found most compelling. “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free,” he wrote, “it expects what never was and never will be.”
What Jefferson recognized, like the rest of that gifted generation, was that in the long run, their improbable experiment – America – wouldn’t work if its citizens were uninformed, if its citizens were apathetic, if its citizens checked out, and left democracy to those who didn’t have their best interests at heart. It could only work if each of us stayed informed and engaged; if we held our government accountable; if we fulfilled the obligations of citizenship.
The success of their experiment, they understood, depended on the participation of its people – the participation of Americans like all of you. The participation of all those who’ve ever sought to perfect our union. Americans like Dorothy Height.
As you probably know, Dr. Height passed away the other week at the age of 98. Having been on the firing line for every fight from lynching to desegregation to the battle for health care reform, she lived a singular life. But she started out just like you, understanding that to make something of herself, she needed a college degree.
So, she applied to Barnard – and got in. Only, when she showed up, they discovered she wasn’t white like they’d thought. You see, their two slots for African Americans had already been filled. But Dr. Height was not discouraged. She was not deterred. She stood up, straight-backed, and with Barnard’s acceptance letter in hand, marched down to NYU, where she was admitted right away.
Think about that for a moment. A woman, a black woman, in 1929, refusing to be denied her dream of a college degree. Refusing to be denied her rights. Her dignity. Her piece of America’s promise. Refusing to let any barriers of injustice or inequality stand in her way. That refusal to accept a lesser fate; that insistence on a better life is, ultimately, the secret of America’s success.
So, yes, an education can fortify us to meet the tests of our economy, the tests of citizenship, and the tests of our time. But what makes us American is something that can’t be taught – a stubborn insistence on pursuing a dream.
The same insistence that led a band of patriots to overthrow an empire. That fired the passions of union troops to free the slaves and union veterans to found schools like Hampton. That led foot-soldiers the same age as you to brave fire-hoses on the streets of Birmingham and billy clubs on a bridge in Selma. That led generation after generation of Americans to toil away, quietly, without complaint, in the hopes of a better life for their children and grandchildren.
That is what has makes us who we are. A dream of brighter days ahead, a faith in things unseen, a belief that here, in this country, we’re the authors of our own destinies. And it now falls to you, the Class of 2010, to write the next great chapter in America’s story; to meet the tests of your own time; and to take up the ongoing work of fulfilling our founding promise. Thank you, God Bless You, and may God Bless the United States of America.
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texte d'origine:
Traduction foireuse en français :
Je ne retrouve pas le passage en gras dans le texte d'origine en anglais......
Si c'est pas du parti pris et de la mauvaise foi de la part du traducteur.....
Surtout que c'est cette phrase qui à alimenté les plus gros trolls ici.
Meanwhile, you’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t rank all that high on the truth meter. With iPods and iPads; Xboxes and PlayStations; information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment. All of this is not only putting new pressures on you; it is putting new pressures on our country and on our democracy.
Traduction foireuse en français :
Vous arrivez à un âge où l'environnement médiatique vous bombarde 24h/24 et 7j/7 de toutes sortes de contenus et nous expose à toutes sortes d'arguments, dont certains sont véritablement très éloignés de la vérité.
Avec les iPods, iPads, Xbox et Playstation - d'ailleurs je ne sais me servir d'aucun - l'information devient une distraction, une diversion, une sorte de loisir, plus qu'un outil de connaissances et de puissances, plus qu'une voie d'indépendance.
Et cela ne met pas seulement une nouvelle pression sur vos épaules, mais aussi une nouvelle pression sur le pays et sur la démocratie.
Je ne retrouve pas le passage en gras dans le texte d'origine en anglais......
Si c'est pas du parti pris et de la mauvaise foi de la part du traducteur.....
Surtout que c'est cette phrase qui à alimenté les plus gros trolls ici.
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Ca ca peut s'expliquer par le fait qu'Obama l'ai rajoute lors du discour cette phrase. Le transcript que j'ai donne est l'officiel communique avant qu'Obama ne le prononce.
La phrase s'est retrouve dans pas mal de site meme en anglais.
La phrase s'est retrouve dans pas mal de site meme en anglais.
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Blocage de Agui et suppression de ses messages.
Pas de temps à perdre avec les personnes discourtoises et portant des jugements crétins et déplaisants.
Pas de temps à perdre avec les personnes discourtoises et portant des jugements crétins et déplaisants.
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Ecrit par gizmo
Blocage de Agui et suppression de ses messages.
Pas de temps à perdre avec les personnes discourtoises et portant des jugements crétins et déplaisants.
sous une branche d' Agui, on fait des bisous
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Ecrit par stolx10Houx qu'elle est capillotractée celle là
sous une branche d' Agui, on fait des bisous
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Ecrit par yeagermach1Et donc ? J'attends que l'autre Connard demande des excuses pour les "traduction foireuse", "parti-pris" et "mauvaise foi", ou je le bloque direct sur la news, voire je le ban ?
Ca ca peut s'expliquer par le fait qu'Obama l'ai rajoute lors du discour cette phrase. Le transcript que j'ai donne est l'officiel communique avant qu'Obama ne le prononce.
La phrase s'est retrouve dans pas mal de site meme en anglais.
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En effet ça a été rajouté au discours. Je viens de regarder la vidéo ici et on peut voir vers 8 minutes 20 ce passage.
Je retire ce que j'ai dit.
Je retire ce que j'ai dit.
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http://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/2010/00042578-barack-obama-tacle-les-nouveaux-medias.htm
le texte est exactement le même que sur Gamalive, donc le parti-pris est pris par celui qui a traduis le texte et non celui qui l'a affiché.
enfin je dis ça, je dis rien
le texte est exactement le même que sur Gamalive, donc le parti-pris est pris par celui qui a traduis le texte et non celui qui l'a affiché.
enfin je dis ça, je dis rien
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Ecrit par ConnardNan. Je veux pas juste un "je retire ce que j'ai dit". Je veux des excuses. A plat ventre. La tête dans la boue. Le cul relevé pour être botté. Et que la honte s'abatte sur toi et toute ta famille.
En effet ça a été rajouté au discours. Je viens de regarder la vidéo ici et on peut voir vers 8 minutes 20 ce passage.
Je retire ce que j'ai dit.
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Ben nan Cédric, Connard il a bien écrit:
"Si c'est pas du parti pris et de la mauvaise foi de la part du traducteur....."
ça te mettait pas en cause (sauf si c'est toi qui a traduit bien-entendu) en tant qu'afficheur du message...
"Si c'est pas du parti pris et de la mauvaise foi de la part du traducteur....."
ça te mettait pas en cause (sauf si c'est toi qui a traduit bien-entendu) en tant qu'afficheur du message...
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Ecrit par gizmoOK, c'est bon j'efface mon compte d'ici, ca devient ridicule.
Et donc ? J'attends que l'autre Connard demande des excuses pour les "traduction foireuse", "parti-pris" et "mauvaise foi", ou je le bloque direct sur la news, voire je le ban ?
Parce que :
1 - Je ne visais pas toi ou ton site en particulier pour les traductions foireuses, parce qu'en cherchant le texte en entier j'ai vu la même traduction sur plusieurs site, alors je m'était dit que tous ces sites avait pris une traduction foireuse.
2 - Dans le cas où le taduction foireuse te visais, des traductions foireuses ici, il y en a eu quelques une.
3 - Partit pris ?? tu te vexes pour ça ? J'espère que tu n'es pas sérieux. Tu as un parti pris sur presque tout, aussi bien sur le monde du jeu vidéo que le reste, tu t'en vantes pas mal, c'est presque la marque de fabrique de Gamalive
4 - Et pour "mauvaise foi" c'était dans le cas où il y avait eu un parti pris de la part du traducteur (qui je ne pensait pas être vous le monsieur susceptible menace de ban et tout le reste quand on a le malheur de faire une critique), en rajoutant volontairement cette phrase, et non un généralité sur votre site.
PS : j'ai écrit mon message d'excuse, le numéro 40 avant d'avoir vu ton message de menace, numéro 39 simplement parce que j'avais laissé, la fenetre Gamalive ouvert pendant que je visionnait la vidé sur youtube. J'ai pris la decision de m'excuser apres avoir vu mon erreur, sans avoir besoin de tes menaces pour ca.
PS2 : Je ne trouve pas comment effacer mon compte je te laisse le faire. Tu viens de predre un lecteur et de gagner de la mauvaise publiciter.
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